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Fri 25 Oct 13 #1 
USS Palladin
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Interesting conversation and while it is a bit left for my taste I do think he hits the nail on the head when it comes to government and how it is not working for the regular guy but is working for the corporations. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxFJ5nL9gg

P.S....Hey Jmax I actually first saw this on a Rupert Murdoch owned website....the old b**stard must be getting senile to let this leftist crap on...eh? :-)




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Sat 26 Oct 13 #2 
JMK
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Watched this earlier today. Can't say I agree with his no voting stance, that only serves to  give the utra-conservatives more power, but I agree with a lot of the other things he was saying.




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Sun 27 Oct 13 #3 
kevg
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Sorry guys but Brand is known over here as a dickhead. When he returns the millions he's made with minimal talent I may listen to him




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Sun 27 Oct 13 #4 
JMK
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Sounds pretty smart if he could make millions with little talent. If you listened I think you would agree with a lot he has to say Kev.




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Sun 27 Oct 13 #5 
kevg
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Don't care, anything that idiot is involved with I am automatically against. He is a vile person.

To start a successful revolution you need the army behind you, somehow I can't see that with him. I can see the army brutalising him, that would be fun.

Just in case you guys never heard it, a phone call he and Jonathon Ross made to Andrew Sachs (Manuel, Fawlty Towers).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/3274807/Transcript-Russell-Brand-and-Jonathan-Ross-prank-call-to-Andrew-Sachs.html

Disgusting, vile creature. You may have noticed I hate him.




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Sun 27 Oct 13 #6 
JMK
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I'm not a fan of his sense of humour most of the time and that piece was far from funny and should never have been allowed to have been aired.

 




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Sun 27 Oct 13 #7 
sally906
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I'm with Kev - Brand is less on to something and more ON something - he is a sleezy creep and makes my skin crawl - and also I'll borrow Kev's words vile and disgusting and the description dickhead!!




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Mon 28 Oct 13 #8 
USS Palladin
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Can't say I am a big fan of Mr. Brand either, yet I found some of his message compelling and thought provoking even for a conservative person like me. But if you don't like the messenger you won't care about the message. :-)

 




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Thu 14 Nov 13 #9 
rmcmanus
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Heard an interesting discussion about the whole Russel Brand/Jeremy Paxman "no one worth voting for" debate.  I've always been of the school of thought that if you don't vote then you cannot complain; but thinking about the 3 parties we have now:

  • One lot are a bunch of public school educated upper class cronies who don't understand what it is like to live in the real world who broke it the time before last (conservatives)
  • One lot are a bunch of public school educated upper class cronies who don't understand what it is like to live in the real world and who have betrayed me and stabbed me in the back (LibDems)
  • One lot are a bunch of public school educated upper class cronies who don't understand what it is like to live in the real world who screwed it up last time round (Labour)

I really do think there is something in this whole "defaced vote" malarky.  I've taken the time to go and vote, but when it comes down to it there are no political parties I want to vote for who are likely to get in so I will write "none of the above" on my ballot paper.

I refuse to make a "protest" vote, if any of the "protest" parties were to get in I would be horrifed, either they'd be telling me that I cannot wear leather shoes (ugh - synthetic shoes) or telling me that we have to seperate from the EU which would make my retirement plans to somewhere sunny a lot more complicated.  So I think I shall be following Paxo & Brand's example and declaring my lack of confidence in any of the available political parties...  and then start a crowd funding thingy to create a new political party where one of the requirements to join would be based on common sense and knowing how to stretch a weeks food for a family of 3 from a fiver.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #10 
jmaxg
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I am here to discuss Russell Brand's theory.

As USS Palladin said, I might agree.

I DO agree......I SAW that Russell Brand interview.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #11 
jmaxg
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It's a relative point.

How do you protest when everybody else own's the system?

How about this......DON''T PARTICIPATE.

It's just a point of order that is valid.  What's the problem?




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #12 
jmaxg
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Everyone has to vote even when compelled by the law of the land?

No, really, still, why vote?

In England and Australia you HAVE to vote.......but even then, you don't HAVE to vote.

You may NOT vote and be prosecuted, but so what?

There are penalties but sill.....just dont vote.

We have been doing it for years.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #13 
kevg
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In England you DON'T have to vote. I'm not in favour of compulsory voting. As has happened it means that people are forced to record a vote for Fascist or Communist parties.

While not voting won't change anything it does deprive the "elected" person of any moral mandate. Votes for our new Police Commissioners averaged 20-25% turnout, refuge for failed politicians.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #14 
JMK
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Voting is not compulsory here and all 'not voting' would achieve is that the more conservative people would still vote and therefore the more conservative people would be elected.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #15 
kevg
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which in NZ would be a good thing




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #16 
JMK
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That is a matter of opinion




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #17 
kevg
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I think you'll find mine is the only opinion that matters




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #18 
JMK
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In your opinion.




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Sat 4 Jan 14 #19 
kevg
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see above




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Sun 5 Jan 14 #20 
TABBYTOES
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its my opinion that benevolent old man and cute grandson should return to replace scraggy girl in toddlers kilt !




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Sun 5 Jan 14 #21 
sally906
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It is compulsory to vote in Australia and it is a pain in the rear end BUT if my chosen party loses I feel I have earned the right to lampoon the non- preferred party at will. And I do because we have such an idiot as a leader he is easy to lampoon. 

what I don't like is people from those countries where voting is not compulsory who stand on their right not to vote and then feel they have the right to complain when the party of their choice doesn't  get in and then lampoon the non-preferred party. Well NO you can't - if you want your party in you get off your backside and go and vote THEN you have earned the right to complain.

 




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Mon 6 Jan 14 #22 
USS Palladin
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Is voting really a right or even a choice when it is compulsory? You have the freedom to vote or the freedom not to. I believe voting is a civil obligation and we should all do it but isn't a message sent when a politician wins and most of the voters stay home, aren't they voting by their not voting? I don't think freedom of speech has to be tied to whether or not you vote though I tend to agree with you Sally, don't gripe about your government if you choose not to participate. While voting is a right it is also a personal responsibility and you relieve people of that sense of personal responsibility when you compulse them to do it. I wish more people voted here but I don't think I would go the route of compulsory voting. 




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Mon 6 Jan 14 #23 
sally906
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I don't know if it is an urban myth but I did hear say ( and possibly by my late grandfather) that in England if it rained on voting day the Liberal party got in but if it was a sunny day the Labor party got in. 

I do a postal vote anyway as I don't do queues!




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Mon 6 Jan 14 #24 
TABBYTOES
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heard that much later Sal rain was bad for labour voters maybe not enough cars to give lifts but we advise this ......accept tory lift ten vote labour!

 




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Tue 7 Jan 14 #25 
killerb54
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Well of course mate. That makes perfect sense as when it rains, the sh**e floats to the top.




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