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Sat 20 Dec 08 #1 
kevg
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Greetings and salutations humble people, it's nearly time for another Kevvie !!! Form into orderly groups of 4 or just sign "I'm in" and we'll allocate you a group. My lovely assistant will take names and throw them in the air, those that come back down will be accepted for the competition. For any newcomers who don't know the format, teams of 4 competing in a round-robin against all other teams entered, silly team names obligatory. All brainoffs are random questions, 10 to each brainoff.I'll be back later with more detail. Comp is probably going to start first week in new year, if i've sobered up !!


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Sat 20 Dec 08 #2 
caro
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I'm in


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Sat 20 Dec 08 #3 
RUI
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I'm in


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Sun 21 Dec 08 #4 
JMK
Editor

Am I right that the start date will be January 5th?


Our team will be Rui, USS Palladin, jmaxg and JMK. Name to be decided.


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Sun 21 Dec 08 #5 
kevg
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yep that sounds right J , seeya then


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Mon 22 Dec 08 #6 
Egg
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I'm in


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Mon 22 Dec 08 #7 
Kristian
Olympian

I'm in, of course. :)

Great tourney it is.


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Mon 22 Dec 08 #8 
Bright But Idle
Fact Daddy

I haven't been part of a tournament in days, so count me in.


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Tue 23 Dec 08 #9 
tallyho
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in


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Tue 23 Dec 08 #10 
Allan R. Matthes
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The ladies and I return. Lucy, Bonzasheila.com, and Maureen. Name still to be determined.


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Tue 23 Dec 08 #11 
JMK
Editor

We are The Fantastic 4.


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Tue 23 Dec 08 #12 
Tushers
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The Celtic Tigers

Tushers
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tob39

Due to circumstances beyond our control Lippi is no longer with us.

I will also go hunting....


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Tue 23 Dec 08 #13 
kevg
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Don't forget to check out General Discussion/Circus/Fairground for the chance of a lifetime.


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Wed 24 Dec 08 #14 
Tushers
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kev i have had to make some changes..... see above....


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Wed 24 Dec 08 #15 
kevg
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okidoki Tush, can't say i am surprised, was actually wondering whether to let the guy in at all meself so that removes a dilemma for me.


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Fri 26 Dec 08 #16 
kevg
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Kevvie's Angels , with two new members, Javalyne , Daft Thistle, Sammi and Kevg


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Fri 26 Dec 08 #17 
caro
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Hey java you have Rui on 2 teams!!


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Fri 26 Dec 08 #18 
Java
Factactrix

I was just made aware of that. Sorry folks - my brain is terribly fuzzy after Christmasand I have a few days off. Throws me completely off course.


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Fri 26 Dec 08 #19 
Josiejump
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Can I join?? I've been dead busy doing Christmassy kid stuff so it'll be nice to be among grown ups again!


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #20 
kevg
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Ok but caro is waiting for you on the trapeze at the circus


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #21 
Josiejump
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????? ??????


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #22 
wabzy

Get with it, Josie! You are a trapeze artist in the circus. Check General Discussions.


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #23 
Josiejump
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LOL - I'll do that then, wabzy!! Back soon.....


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #24 
Java
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Josie you have been added to a team.


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #25 
Josiejump
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Lovely line up, thank you. I see my fellow trapeze artist is with me. I wonder how long I can leave Caro swinging.......


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #26 
Tushers
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May i please announce that Some1eyes will be joining the Celtic Tigers


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #27 
kevg
The Grumpinator

You may


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Sat 27 Dec 08 #28 
Egg
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OK. We have a name: The Deviled Eggs

Egg
Wabzy
Kristian
Hbjlj4


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Tue 30 Dec 08 #29 
wabzy

Where.......did ....every...body go? ? i think i will leeave nooneisherezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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Thu 1 Jan 09 #30 
gwendoline
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I am in


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Thu 1 Jan 09 #31 
Mimoza
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I AM IN


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Thu 1 Jan 09 #32 
tallyho
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hmmmm....perhaps our team should be The Circus Clowns...


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Fri 2 Jan 09 #33 
caro
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sure... works for me!


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Fri 2 Jan 09 #34 
Java
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tallyho and caro, you have been updated.


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Fri 2 Jan 09 #35 
caro
Contributor

Thanks java!


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #36 
Java
Factactrix

The Kevvie starts on Monday, January 5th. Can we possibly rope in two more players to team with gwen and mimi?


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #37 
kevg
The Grumpinator

trying , got pm's out and waiting for reply, scwmns has politely turned the chance down, get to work on him


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #38 
Mr.D
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I'm IN, if it's not too late!


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #39 
Java
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It's not too late Mr. D. I have added you on.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #40 
gwendoline
Member

We just need one more on our team .
has Ima signed up ??


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #41 
Java
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No, she hasn't Gwen. Are you going to rope her on in?


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #42 
gwendoline
Member

I will send her a pm. Java and see what she says


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #43 
gwendoline
Member

I have sent a pm to Ima , Javalyne, See if you can persuade her as well


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #44 
Java
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Shall do!


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #45 
gwendoline
Member

Had a reply. she is in


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #46 
Kristian
Olympian

I think you need a team name.
Send challenge to your team and decide which name you will take.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #47 
gwendoline
Member

OK Kristian .thanks


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #48 
Java
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Jeez, that was fast work Gwen. I hadn't even finished writing my convincing PM when your answer popped up. Good work, lady!

Adding her onto your team - I await your team name.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #49 
gwendoline
Member

Javalyne , I have come up with the team name of
BLUNDERS NEVER CEASE, Mimoza said that it was fine with her, I have not heard from Ima and Mr. D.
Still not sure Ima knows how it works !


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #50 
Mr.D
Member

Works for me! Since were all so cozy now, you can call me Tony if you like - Mr. D sounds so formal...


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #51 
gwendoline
Member

OK Tony, and just call me Gwen.
So our team is called Blunders never cease. and consists of ;
Myself
Mimoza
Ima Irish
and yourself
Looking forward to playing in the quiz with you .


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #52 
Java
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I have added your team name above. Then I think we are all set, challenges will be sent out Monday morning (don't ask me what time, because I still get a headache converting). But it will be early.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #53 
Kristian
Olympian

Early for who, Europeans, Australians, New Zealanders, Americans...? :)
Just kidding.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #54 
Ima Irish
Member

I am looking forward to being on a team with Gwen, Mimi, and Tony (Mr.D). I have not yet met you, Tony. I am actually Máire from Dublin. I am a US citizen now. I hope we will do well in this tournament.

(^.^)


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #55 
Mimoza
Member

I like my team and i hope the same Ima :)


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #56 
Ima Irish
Member

It will be fun and we shall do our best Mimi :-)


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #57 
Mimoza
Member

Yeah...everything is fun here :)


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #58 
Ima Irish
Member

We do like to have fun, eh, Mimi? LOL. We also like to learn a bit here and there. I assume Tony is an aussie as his avatar is a kangaroo .. very pleased to be on this team.


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Sat 3 Jan 09 #59 
gwendoline
Member

Hi Javalyne
Just was wondering why you have shortened our team name to just. BLUNDERS.... instead of
BLUNDERS NEVER CEASE.
Its not a problem, I just wondered.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #60 
Java
Factactrix

Ummm, because on the weekend I usually put the brain in neutral. Or,
Ummm, I didn't read that thoroughly or,
Ummm, it was Kristian's fault because he started me thinking about time conversations in UTC form for the countries he had mentioned above and I developed a headache and had to stop for a smoke and a coffee. Yep, that's the one!

Nevertheless, I have corrected your team name above.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #61 
gwendoline
Member

Thanks for that Javalyne.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #62 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Can't get the staff these days !!!


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #63 
Ima Irish
Member

Java, thanks. Gwen, I'm also looking forward to playing with you, Mimi & Tony.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #64 
Java
Factactrix

Oh goody Kev. Now you're imagining that I listen to you.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #65 
Loris
Contributor

I'm in,if it is possible


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #66 
Java
Factactrix

Loris, if you can gather up three more people to make up a team, no problem.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #67 
wabzy

Is mano available?


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #68 
mano762009
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I'm in.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #69 
Java
Factactrix

TEAM ROSTER

The Fantastic 4
Rui
USS Palladin
jmaxg
JMK

Captain Hook vs Peter Pan
Lucy
Bonzasheila.com
Maureen
Allan R. Matthes

The Celtic Tigers
Tushers
dpf777
tob39
some1seyes

Kevvie's Angels
Javalyne
Daft Thistle
Sammi
kevg

Deviled Eggs
hbjlj4
Egg
Wabzy
Kristian

The Circus Clowns
tallyho
caro
Bright But Idle
Josiejump

Blunders Never Cease
gwendoline
Mimoza
Mr.D
Ima Irish

Motley's Great Crew
Loris
mano762009
jackson
tpmotley


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #70 
Java
Factactrix

We still have time to get two more players to join us.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #71 
wabzy

I think the name Blunders Never Cease is so clever!


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #72 
wabzy

Where is saguinoira? and Gokie Gary? Maybe they will round it out for that team.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #73 
gwendoline
Member

Thanks wabzy, The name maybe clever, but I am not sure about anything else, Ha Ha !!!!!!!!!


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #74 
jackson
Contributor

i'm in


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #75 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Think we can dragoon some poor soul without them knowing Lyne ?? They'll think they are popular and we can play our tourney ???


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #76 
Java
Factactrix

That would be really devious. Let me see what I can do.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #77 
Java
Factactrix

I sent out two ticklers.


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #78 
JMK
Editor

Well that's all very well, but what are you doing about finding another person for the Kevvie? ;-)


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #79 
kevg
The Grumpinator

I think threats might work better, something like "I'll be your best friend "


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #80 
Java
Factactrix

Let's not go too far, okay?


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #81 
kevg
The Grumpinator

erm, backing away and smiling nervously, looking for a safe exit, wondering if I can make it before she can snap that whip, going for it ...................................


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #82 
Java
Factactrix

***snap, pop and tingle*** You've got to move faster, hon. :)


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #83 
tpmotley
Contributor

I'm on board if you still need more people


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Sun 4 Jan 09 #84 
kevg
The Grumpinator

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, good man . OK Java , let's get the show on the road.
O God , that looks like Elvis !!!


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #85 
Java
Factactrix

Sign up is officially closed.

Thank you tp - I'll keep my promise to you! :)

We can get the show on the road - just need a team name for the last group. Or should I choose one for them?


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #86 
wabzy

You know, kev, if you looked like a normal guy people might be more inclined to sign up.


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #87 
kevg
The Grumpinator

I am normal !!! and me pics is normal, for me anyway.
You want me to become normal !!!!!!


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #88 
kevg
The Grumpinator

May I suggest, Motley Crew ??


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #89 
Java
Factactrix

Sounds good to me. Motley is the newest member to Facta.


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #90 
Ima Irish
Member

The word "normal" has a nice ring to it...Wabzy, still keeping warm and Java still on faggies..wonder what it's like to be normal. lol


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #91 
Loris
Contributor

Luckily, we made it! Thanks for giving us a team name. Sorry I haven't answered you before and apologizes for not looking for other team mates. I'm so busy at the moment, studying Russian for my last exam next Wednesday.
Enjoy the tournament, Javalyne! ;-)


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Mon 5 Jan 09 #92 
Sammi
Contributor

Holy crow....Lol. Didn't even know the comp was coming up but cool, I'm pre-in.
Nice.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #93 
tpmotley
Contributor

Wow, my first Factacular tournie and I'm already an eponymous team member. Now I do feel special. And yes, of course that is Elvis, well I guess it's really Elvis Christ or Jesus Presley or some sort of conflation of the two idols.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #94 
mano762009
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great to have you as a partner for the comp tpmotley


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #95 
Tushers
Contributor

tpmotley, is it not breaking one of the commandments [not sure which one mind] to make fun of a statue like that? I don't know it just doesn't sit well with me.

Oh and i accept you may not be Catholic, but some of us are and may find that offensive. god knows people on here have complained about a lot less, but i feel this is important.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #96 
Java
Factactrix

Kevvie Scores


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #97 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Now Tush behave. I am an atheist and it's my quiz !!! Cover your eyes when you play his team. Mind you if you want really offensive avatars I've got a few !!!!


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #98 
Egg
Contributor

Tushers -

I'm with you. I think everyone is entitled to his or her beliefs; but I find no honor or common decency in disrespecting the beliefs of others. I, too, find the avatar offensive. I someone put up an avatar symbolizing atheism, that would be different; but this type of direct attack on a religious figure is in poor taste and
only offends. There's nothing "cute" about it. It simply inflames and disregards the feelings of others.

Tpmotley - as a sign of respect and courtesy; would you please remove the avatar? I would sincerelyl appreciate it. :)


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #99 
Tushers
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Kev i know you have my kids have seen some and they took some explaining, so i just said he was a dirty old man and not to take any notice!!! but of course the questions kept coming so thanks for that!

thanks egg, it is so wrong. I fear saying anything like this in here as the tendency is to get attacked.... but my stomach felt sick each time i saw it.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #100 
kevg
The Grumpinator

O no , I've got much worse than that,what's wrong with being a dirty old man ???
As regards avatars, if it truly offends that much I hope it will be changed.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #101 
dpf777
Contributor

Thank God i'm an atheist... however the avatar should be removed as it is offensive..


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #102 
mano762009
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bad taste


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #103 
jmaxg
Contributor

Tush, Egg, anybody else, lighten up, it's called "freedom of expression".

He is entitled to that priviledge, just like all of us.

I don't find it offensive in the slightest. Satirical, yes. Offensive? No.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #104 
kevg
The Grumpinator

I'm not asking anybody to take avatars off. I am probably worst of all. If you don't like it , it's only for 2 brainoffs then it'll be gone. Live with it and let's get on with quiz


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #105 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Forgot to welcome jackson to the fold in all the last minute rush to get it all together. Good to see you fella, hope you don't get trampled too badly.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #106 
Tushers
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JMAXG, again!!!!
well i do find it offensive it is my choice to voice this, and not to be shouted down by people who do not agree.

How come Kev had to stop his last bit of fun? i will tell you someone found it offensive

how come kev took down one of his avatars? because someone found it offensive

there is freedom of everything and down right insulting someones religion is not a joke, is not funny and as i said before i feel physically sick when i see it. its rude, offensive and i hope it is replaced... no one on here deliberatly puts up an avatar to offend and if they do they remove it iam sure tpmotley had no idea it would cause this, and i am also sure they will do teh right thing, but Jamaxg just because it doesnt offend you doesnt really give you the right to give out to me. you are denying me my right of freedom to come on this site and not be offended.

i wonder what would be said if we all came in with swastikas as avatars.. would that be acceptable??? No it wouldn't, and neither is this, i am disappointed you said that JMAXG

and im also tired of not being able to say a thing on this site without someone jumping down my throat because they do not agree.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #107 
jmaxg
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Oh Tush, I am not shoutin' ya down or jumping down ya throat.

I am just stating an opposing opinion.

Calm down will ya? It doesn't mean I don't love ta death or nuffin.

:-)

See? I'm smilin'.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #108 
Tushers
Contributor

ok Jmaxg sorry if i got mad... it is really upsetting for me


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #109 
jmaxg
Contributor

No problems Tush.

:-)


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #110 
USS Palladin
Contributor

Probably a slippery road we shouldn't go down telling folks what they can and cannot have as avatars unless they really range into the tasteless, provocative or pornographic. All of the above being subject to widely diverse opinions in any society as to what consitutes, taste, provocative and or pornographic.

I think folks have the right to say what they want within certain boundries. Common sense and dignity and a wee bit of tolerance go a long way in keeping a free flow of ideas going with out stifling discussion. Nobody disputes anybodys right to disagree, but as far as I know there is also not a right that you shouldn't ever be offended. Common sense would seem to dictate to me that you do not post material that might cause you to injure or hurt a friend.

The avatars, and for the most part the general discussion available on this site, make me think, stretch my perceptions and make me aware of different view points. I would hate to see a food fight over avatars cause things to change. For deeply religious people I can see how the Elvis as Jesus avatar might offend you, but does having an avatar as deviled egg mean you are a satanist? Does having a white tiger in your avatar imply you are for the exploitation of animals? Since I have played with and against Egg for awhile I know that she isn't a satanist, and Tush I know you love animals so I don't try to draw unfair conclusions. Heck I couldn't even tell it was Elvis, yet I can also look at that as Elvis dressed up in Arabic/Biblical costume and who knows, perhaps in Motleys world Elvis is as important as any religious figure. He is new, we just don't know him.

In the end I urge tolerance. It would be hoped that now Motley has found out that some do find Elvis as Jesus offensive that he will be a good sport and elect to use something else. If he doesn't he doesn't, you have the right ignore it, to PM him about it, complain to the editors or do what you have done here but unless the avatars do what I said above, I think folks should use common sense when choosing an avatar and folks here should just become a bit more open minded.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #111 
Tushers
Contributor

I am open minded Pall, you know that. If it isnt removed i will be doing nothing. i only mentioned it in sort of passing.. as although it upset me deeply, i am not going to go on and on and bitch behind peoples backs, i dont do that. i was drawing my comparisons to when kev had to shut down his forum banter where we set up a war camp and someone gave out as they found it offensive so it was shut down haste speed, cause Kev is good like that, although dont tell him i siad that... he would nt offend anyone intentionally. and i do not think this is done intentionally either.


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #112 
Josiejump
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Lighten up, everybody. It's a new year for flip's sake.....

Not everyone has the same sense of humour, taste or opinion but that's what makes these type of sites so interesting. We are all different so let's just deal with it and plough on with playing quizzes - which is essentially our common interest. The forming of friendships is a great bonus but we don't all have to agree on everything.

Gosh, I'm turning into a real outspoken bunny. I don't know what's come over me....... :)


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #113 
jmaxg
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I would like it placed on record that we, the "Church of Elvis, incorporating the Most Sacred and Holy Memphis Tabernacle", also object to this heinous blasphemy!

We are WAY more popular than Jesus, and this act may hurt our chances to for "Gracelands" to become the next Holy See!

Too much? Ok, I'll shuddup and quit stirrin'.

;-)


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #114 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Swaztika avatar ??? Now why didn't I think of that !!


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #115 
USS Palladin
Contributor

You two....to the onion cellar! :-)

Psst...fat Elvis or skinny Elvis?


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #116 
Java
Factactrix

How much work do you want a woman to do with two in the onion cellar? Nevermind, both of them love my discipline! Whack and tingle, slap and sting, whip and punch. Bruahahaha!


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #117 
jmaxg
Contributor

skinny elvis.

:-)


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Tue 6 Jan 09 #118 
Mr.D
Member

I would agree that there should be freedom of expression coupled with the responsibility to not intentionally offend anyone based upon gender, ethnic grouping, religion or their political tendencies. With that said, I applaud those who spoke up when something offended them. If we do not make our voices heard we cannot expect others to respect our views. It is nice to see a mature debate where there are no personal attacks, and yet a sensitive issue can be debated! Well done FACTOIDS!


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #119 
kevg
The Grumpinator

Did you just call me mature !!!! That's fighting talk !!


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #120 
Mr.D
Member

Sorry Kev - I think it was clearly understood that I wasn't talking to you ; )'


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #121 
tpmotley
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Wow, quite a maelstrom that has erupted here! It's especially interesting to see how hostile people can get without ever having spoken to the individual responsible for inciting such emotions. I would first like to state for the record that in no way did I intend to offend anyone and to Tushers or anyone else who was offended, I sincerely apologize.

As far as breaking one of the Ten Commandments, hermeneutical and theological arguments could certainly be made confirming or refuting that any commandments were broken by said action. However, this is probably not the place for such a debate. As far as which commandment might have been broken, that would depend upon the version of the commandments to which one is referring. The Ten Commandments appear twice in the Pentateuch, in Exodus 20:1-17 and at Deuteronomy 5:6-21 and some would argue a third time in Exodus 34:12-26 as well. However, the prior two are the primary sources cited in referencing the Ten Commandments. Keep in mind that both of these passages consists of some 17 statements that are then grouped differently by different faith groups to result in no less than three different versions of the Ten Commandments. As Tushers referred to Catholicism, the most likely candidate for broken commandment would be the first one, which is actually a combination of four verses/prohibitions in the Hebrew text, but which the Catholic Encyclopedia explains as follows: “Being the one true God, He alone is to be adored, and all rendering to creatures of the worship which belongs to Him falls under the ban of His displeasure; the making of "graven things" is condemned: not all pictures, images, and works of art, but such as are intended to be adored and served.”

As to Egg’s comments, I was in no way “disrespecting the beliefs of others” and in no way is the avatar a “direct attack on a religious figure in poor taste.” First, it should go without saying that one should not judge a person’s motives without first asking them their intent. Perhaps at this point some background would help as I am aware that I am new here.

First of all, I am a devout Christian. I majored in Religious Studies in college earning my BA degree from the University of Virginia and worked as a minister for several years. I attended seminar, working towards my Master’s of Divinity degree and towards ordination. I have taken graduate seminary courses at Emory University’s Candler School of Theology (Methodist), Union Theological Seminary in New York (multi-denominational), St. John’s University School of Theology (Catholic), United Theological Seminary in New Brighton (United Church of Christ), St. Thomas University-St. Paul Seminary School of Divinity (Catholic), Luther Seminary (Lutheran) and Bethel Seminary (Baptist). I found that photo back as an undergrad and found it interesting and have shared it with ministers, pastors, priests, professors, theologians, biblical scholars, etc. and have yet to have one say that s/he was offended. This is merely stated to show that I have precedence for believing that the image might be received in a manner similar to my own opinion. That being said, I do in fact understand why some people may find it offensive. I am aware that the primary people with whom I have shared and discussed that image have spent years to decades immersed in the in depth study of religion, theology and biblical scholarship and as such we do not always have the same opinion or react similarly to the population at large. And while I have determined that a role in the pulpit is ultimately not my calling (my current work with adults with disabilities is my ministry now) I still hold very deep convictions and beliefs and remain a devout Christian.

Upon finding that photo I found it interesting that someone would create such an image, especially as I am both a Christian and an Elvis fan. It turns out that comparing/conflating these two figures is not a new phenomenon as googling “elvis and jesus” will result in some 8.5 million returns. This fascinated me and I actually wrote several papers on the subject. While I am in no way advocating the worship of Elvis, I found it intriguing that such comparisons even entered into people’s minds. The image is not a reflection of my own personal theology, as I certainly do not worship Elvis, although I am a big fan. However, I do find the image thought-provoking as it raises the question of just what we do worship and how we do it. I don’t think that anyone would refute the idea that in today’s world we place far too much emphasis on pop culture and far too many people worship everything from the Jonas Brothers to their stock portfolio. For me the image raises such questions, and personally I feel that that is a good thing. And while personally I agree with jmaxg that people should lighten up and that it certainly is my freedom of expression, as a person of faith, I also understand and respect the opinions and beliefs of others and understand why someone might be offended even if I am not.

Personally I feel that God has a sense of humor, I mean just look at the platypus. Also, one of the most basic tenants of Christianity is the belief in the hypostatic union of Christ (Council of Chalcedon, 451), i.e. that Christ was both fully human and fully divine. As such, it would seem that Jesus would by definition necessarily have a sense of humor as well. Besides, it’s my personal belief that if one believes in a God that interacts with the world (as I do), then it would seem that God would have greater concerns, (e.g. poverty, starvation, evil, murder, genocide, hatred, racism, bigotry, misogyny, child abuse, etc.) than an image that some guy photoshopped. Also, as previously mentioned, I am not “insulting someones [sic] religion” as I myself am a Christian. I would also like to add that comparing such a photo to swastikas and by extension Nazism, is a specious argument at best and in fact, the Nazis were forceful proponents of censorship via the Minister of Propaganda, Goebbels and would never have allowed any sort of freedom of expression, let alone discussion of such matters. More importantly though, the oft-abused leap to compare something with which someone disagrees to Hitler and/or the Nazis severely belittles the extreme magnitude of the horrors and pure evil that were displayed under the Third Reich.

USS Palladin makes a good point that there is no right to not be offended. It is also often those very things which offend us that make us think, for better or for worse. And in the end, if we are forced to think about our own ideas and beliefs, it doesn’t really matter whether we perhaps learn something new or change our minds or if our current opinions are simply bolstered. The important thing is that we have given such matters serious thought and reflection and after all, isn’t that what is site is at least in some way about, expanding our minds? All that being said, I have changed my avatar, as I do not wish to offend, but only to make people think, which hopefully I have done. Again, I would like to apologize to anyone who was offended hopefully, in the future, people will be a bit less quick to jump to conclusions regarding people’s intentions and beliefs. And hopefully we can all continue to have such dialogues along with some fun and good natured competition. Thanks everybody.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #122 
jmaxg
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Rebuttal anyone?

:-)


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #123 
mano762009
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Let it rest. I Think a lot has been said already.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #124 
Lucy
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AMEN--but we all learned something.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #125 
Tushers
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tpmotley, i didnt reply earlier as you posted that at 4am our time!!!!! i would jsut like to say i think 2 things please. the first is i never thought for one second you did it to cause a problem, please be clear, it was just each time i saw it it grated a bit more and a bit more, so i had to say something. I didnt however wish to PM you as we had not spoken before and i didnt want you to think i was telling you to take it down or i was being a dictator by telling you what you may or may not use as an avatar. So i thought to say i was offended in here was the best way forward.

I do not feel i was fighting or rude in what i have said.. but i did defend what i said. Thank you for changing it though. I would add, i have been thinking about what you said about when you showed it to other religious people and they were not offended... i found this strange so i sat back and thought how i would feel if we met and you showed it to me... and i decided i would still be offended but i probably wouldn't of made a big deal of it as you would of showed it to me once and i could walk away from it. however on here some people keep the same avatar for ever, [so to speak] and hand on heart i couldnt look at it on a daily basis.

I am sorry too if you thought i was rude or otherwise, as this was not my intention.

Thank you


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #126 
kevg
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Excellent post tp, enjoyed that, I hope this first experience of our competitions has not soured the occasion for you, usually it's nice and peaceful til I open me mouth so it's good someone else took a turn !!
Having said that I am disappointed a new member was taken to task like that. It was really not called for , if no-one felt able to pm tp himself I am always available either by pm, email or messenger and hope in future any such complaints will be channeled thru me.
One member did pm me about this so it can be done, the member supported tp.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #127 
tpmotley
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Thanks kev. No worries. I'm having a good time, well aside from that past round of questions. I could use a mulligan on those.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #128 
Tushers
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Kev i did not take a member to task as you put it. I stated how i felt, i did not disrespect TP, and i explained why i didnt pm him.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #129 
kevg
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Case closed now Tush, pm me if you want, still chums.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #130 
Tushers
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cool hugs


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #131 
Egg
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Thank you for removing the avatar, TP.

I apologize if I came on a bit too strong.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #132 
JMK
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Could have done with a mulligan myself after one of those challenges.


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #133 
Josiejump
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I still think it's unfair somebody new felt compelled to account for themselves, but, saying that, I thoroughly enjoyed your post, TP. I do hope you continue to enjoy the site despite initial 'histeria' :o)


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #134 
Josiejump
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Just saw this article on my Google homepage today and thought you might be interested, TP:

http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?Church_removes_Jesus_after_he_scares_kids&in_article_id=463201&in_page_id=2

I think maybe it wouldn't have been as terrifying if it had an Elvis head :O


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Wed 7 Jan 09 #135 
tpmotley
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No worries Egg. It's all good. And thanks for the welcome Josie. I'm having a good time.

Interesting article too! That's actually not that uncommon for kids to be unsettled by those types of statues/images. I wish they had a photo of the actual statue.

Then again, I've seen some terrifying Elvis statues in my day as well. Nothing though is as terrifying as the decor in Graceland. It is a true shame that Elvis passed away in the 70s and his home was destined to be forever trapped in the land of the goldenrod and avocado kitchens and shag carpeting. Ugh! And don't even get me started on the jungle room.


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #136 
Josiejump
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I don't know what you mean, TP! That style of decor is timeless, isn't it? :)


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #137 
USS Palladin
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Well screw it. A nice big long answer and he still didn't answer the questions we all want to know!
Fat Elvis or skinny Elvis?
And where is Elvis hiding out?

:-)


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #138 
tpmotley
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Skinny Rockabilly Elvis and the Memphis Mafia has sworn me to secrecy regarding the King's current whereabouts, if he were a live, which he isn't...I fear I've said too much.


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #139 
USS Palladin
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Probably hiding out with Che on some gorgeous Latin American beach, sipping some sort of decadent cocktail while being attended to by many lovely maidens.....
TELL US!!!! :-)


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #140 
tpmotley
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Lo siento. No hablo ingles.


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #141 
Josiejump
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Does that mean 'no' then?


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #142 
Java
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I think it means "I'm still not telling where Elvis is hiding out". Short version.


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #143 
wabzy

I think you could say that, Josie! Wow! How did I miss this whole discussion? Great writing, tp. Shows great thinking and a controlled temper. I didn't see the avatar in question, but it doesn't matter. I am glad you are playing and that the problem is settled.


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Thu 8 Jan 09 #144 
tpmotley
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Hi wabzy, thanks. FYI - the avatar in question was a traditional sacred heart Jesus image with Elvis' face superimposed onto it. (Skinny Elvis, naturally) And I hope that's faux fur on your avatar. Sr. Che does not take kindly to baby seal coats. :-)


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Fri 9 Jan 09 #145 
wabzy

Now, now, Sr. Chez....you don't want to draw me into a discussion of what baby seal skin wearers think of Sr. Chez! LOL (I wasn't aware these were baby seal skins. Would agree with the cruelty of using them.)


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Fri 9 Jan 09 #146 
tpmotley
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Well, unless the baby seals were just jerks and really asking for it.


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