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Sun 17 Mar 13 #1 
Kristian
Olympian


This year, the ESC is scheduled for 14, 16 and 18 May in Sweden.

Two semi-finals, and the BIG FINAL on 18th May where 26 countries will compete to win this contest.

I, as a big fan of this contest, am obliged to start this discusstion among Factacularians. :)

My favorite this year (other than Macedonia) are: Denmark, Germany, Sweden, United Kingdom and Russia.

According to the betting odds and fans (including me), this year's winner will probably be Denmark. So, Eurovision will move only 41km :) Here it is: Only Teardrops.

UK will be represented by none other than, Bonnie Tyler with awesome ballad. Top10 is guaranteed. Believe In Me.

And last, but not least. The Macedonian entry!

The first choise was Imperija, but then the national broadcaster decided to change the song to Pred Da Se Razdeni. The song is a mix between Vlatko Lozanovski (Lozano), famous Macedoniain singer, and the queen of gypsy music Esma. Here is the song: Pred Da Se Razdeni.

Even though I like the new song, I think that the old one was better. So listen to it the old song Imperija and decide which one is better.




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Sun 17 Mar 13 #2 
Mimoza
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Never thought of this but guess that now I'll finally hear our song. Was surprised to see that Bonnie Tyler will participate in such event that is way down under her level. Her voice is great and this song is good too but does that really what eurovision is for ? I mean it once was but not sure what happens as the years go by.

However not too much into this ,  when I hear most of the songs I could tell what my favorite is and hope that it wins....but wait, it's still March too early to say anything  




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #3 
Ajax
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I became a fan last year. So exciting.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #4 
mapmaker
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In UK it is considered a complete joke, idiotic voting by partisan clowns, the fact that newer entrants take it seriously makes it still more amusing.

 




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #5 
Ajax
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I agree with you. I prefer the old song. The new one reminds me of Donny Montell from last year. 




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #6 
kevg
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In agreement with mappie, anybody who likes the show should be shot.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #7 
mapmaker
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no not shot, just made to listen to the macedonian or ukranian entry for an hour




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #8 
Ajax
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It is fun. In Australia we only get the finals televised. Good commentary, with an appropriate amount of ridicule. ;) But then again, I listen to Chinese hip hop all day, I am open to any music.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #9 
sally906
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Chinese hip hop?  The mind boggles - strangely I am curious and I am not a fan of hip hop.

last time I watched the Eurovision Song Contest Sandy Shaw sang puppet on a string.  I STILL know all the words - much to my hubbies horror!




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #10 
Ajax
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Sally, here is Jay Chou singing Listen to Mum's Words.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #11 
Ajax
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Here is one about taking Grandma out for her birthday.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #12 
Doctor Factenstein
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There has always been an element of bloc voting but it's vastly over-exaggerated over here.  I don't think it really affects the outcome.  We also tend to see it as some massive conspiracy (whilst ignoring that, traditionally, serious UK entries tend to score well with Ireland and vice versa).

It's no grand conspiracy though. It's partly cultural (similar tastes in similar regions) and partly practical (acts are likely to promote their song/single more heavily in neighbouring countries).

It's no coincidence, incidentally, that our best showing in the last ten years was when Jade Ewen came 5th. She'd promoted heavily across Europe and had the added firepower of Andrew Lloyd Webber (inexplicably popular) at the piano.

It's a joke over here because we send out hopeless entrants like Humperdink (he can track a falcon on a cloudly day, you know), Scooch and Daz Sampson and then complain that it's all political whilst ignoring the fact that three of the last five winners (Germany, Norway, Sweden) are members of the old guard against whom the deck is supposedly stacked.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #13 
sally906
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You mean it has nothing to do with talent!  I am stunned and not a little amazed ;)

that Chinese hip hop is not too bad :)




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #14 
Doctor Factenstein
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Oh, talent has something to do with it too but you've got to get it out there.

It also helps if the talent isn't drawing its pension.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #15 
Kristian
Olympian

I agree with Stu (post #12). Block-voting is only a myth nowadays. And the 50-50 (televote and jury) system introduced three years ago, it also decreases the chance of neighbour voting.

For the last 5 years, the winner was voted almost the same from the western and eastern block. So, at the end of the day the best song wins.

I really liked Jade Ewan's song in 2009, but Norway snatched the victory with the original theme Fairytale, well deserved victory.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #16 
Doctor Factenstein
Evil Genius

Good track, that.  Fairytale, I mean.  Cheesy as hell but the chorus is great and the violin superb.

The UK gave Fairytale 10 points, incidentally. We obviously didn't mind it on the whole.

Last year we gave the winner, Sweden, 12 points.
In 2011, we gave the winner, Azerbaijan, nothing (just not really to our taste).
In 2010, we gave the winner, Germany, 4 points.
As I mentioned, in 2009, we gave the winner 10 points.
In 2009, we gave the winner, Russia, nothing (we've never heard of Dima Belen despite him being huge).

We tend to have similar tastes as a lot of the Northern and Western European nations so when the winner's from those areas, we've tended to back them. When the winner is from the East (add Serbia to that list), we generally haven't given them a single point and then we've muttered about it all being political.

It's a bit churlish, if you ask me.  You didn't ask me?  Well, tough.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #17 
Doctor Factenstein
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Oh heck...I've just spotted that we gave 12 points to Estonia when they won, 8 points to Latvia when they won, 7 to Turkey when they won, 5 to Ukraine when they won, 12 to Greece when they won and 12 to Finland when they won.

So, since 2000 we've had three years where we gave the winners nothing, four where we gave them 12 and one each of 10, 8, 7, 5 and 4.

On the whole, regardless of our supposed cynicism, we seem to agree that the winners are pretty good songs.




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Tue 19 Mar 13 #18 
Kristian
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Nice statistic there Stu.

For comparison, in Eurovision history, Macedonian gave 12 only points to:
- Albania - 5 times (2012, 2010, 2008, 2005, 2004)
- Bosnia & Herzegovina - 2 times (2011, 2006)
- Romania - 2 times (2000, 2002)
- Turkey - 1 time (2009)
- Serbia - 1 time (2007)
- Croatia - 1 time (1998)

Balkan countries, all of them. :)

The winners of the contest got from Macedonia:
2012 - Sweden - 6 points
2011 - Azerbaijan - 0 points (same as UK)
2010 - Germany - 8 points
2009 - Norway - 8 points
2008 - Russia - 8 points
2007 - Serbia - 12 points
2006 - Finland - 6 points (Lordi monsters)
2005 - Greece - 7 points (even though they never EVER awarded any points to Macedonia) 
2004 - Ukraine - 8 points
2002 - Latvia - 7 points
2000 - Denmark - 0 points
1998 - Croatia - 12 points

So, 7 points for the winner on average from Macedonia. :)




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