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Tue 20 Aug 13 #1 
USS Palladin
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What I want to know are there plans to get the remaining 22? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html




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Tue 20 Aug 13 #2 
sally906
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That is really interesting. Lets sprout bizzare history facts loving Hubby has ordered the book - he thanks you for bring to his attention :)




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Wed 21 Aug 13 #3 
Nemesis
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It shouldn't be beyond the wit of some gap-year students to finish the job off!

 




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Wed 21 Aug 13 #4 
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Luxembourg doesn't take any crap from any one, from what I have heard and I think invading Vatican City is really beyond  reason, even though I am not a believer. I do respect that boundary.  Did the Brits ever occupy Mecca?  

Seriously, the British umbilicus is slow to be sloughed off in countries such as Canada and Australia and others, which I don't know about.  They do express great loyalty to Her Highness.  It is rather nice.




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Fri 23 Aug 13 #5 
kevg
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Yup we invaded some of these countries to chuck out the Germans




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Fri 23 Aug 13 #6 
TABBYTOES
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.......we have a german royal family!




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Fri 23 Aug 13 #7 
Honey Badger
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Since my maiden name is Kilthau that rather pleases me!  Heh heh!




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Thu 29 Aug 13 #8 
jmaxg
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I think it's boring.......I really do.

I had heard that 1 third of the planet has "Plantegenet" dna.  But given royal courtiers, that's not really a problem, is it?

I am actually proud that I am NOT related to William, The Conqueror.




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Thu 29 Aug 13 #9 
sally906
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Since we are talking about invasions - what do we think about the US threatening to go in and blow up Syria because of their alleged use of chemical weapons without NATO ruling on the situation.

Remembering that other than doing a horrible thing - Syria has not broken any international law.  They have not signed the chemical weapons treaty which basically says you can't use chemicals against your own people.  They are signatory s for the Geneva convention thingy which says they won't use chemical weapons against another country while at war. But they didn't do that either.

what they have done ( and I said alleged because it hasn't been proven yet although bodies with foam coming out of their mouths is a bit of a give away) is morally reprehensible and unforgivable but that does not give any country the right to go in guns blazing.  Sanctions and withholding money maybe. But not military action. We might not like what is happening but we can't invade.  So what would be the outcome if the USA ignores everyone else and just lobs missiles into Syria?

 

i am afraid - very afraid.




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Thu 29 Aug 13 #10 
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me too




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Thu 29 Aug 13 #11 
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What kills me is the same people who are complaining about the US getting involved in this business in the Middle East are the same people who decry the US for not helping out Darfur, Rwanda, and other human rights attrocities all over the world at any given moment. It's been this way all throughout our history as a global superpower. When we try to stay out of affairs (WW2), the world wants to whine and when we act (Bosnia), the world screams that we are trying to create an empire without regard for international laws. It's highly hypocritical. You can't have it both ways. 

Maybe we should just sit back in our secluded nation and watch the rest of the world subvert to the Middle Ages, Then y'all would have something real to complain about.




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Thu 29 Aug 13 #12 
kevg
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We should stay out of Syria. One bunch of radicals fighting another bunch of radicals. Civilians are dying but that is not our fault, more will die if we join in. Would they thank us for helping out ?? Don't be so silly.




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Fri 30 Aug 13 #13 
sally906
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Killer it has to be all or nothing. The US is not consistent.  So the cynical Sally is thinking what does the US think they can get out of this move. They only go in when they get some sort of advantage. No advantage for them and they don't go in. So what will they get?  Here is a very good article as to why we shouldn't go into Syria

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-28/fitzpatrick-syria/4918406

again I ask what will the US get out of this. Because it is not out of concern for Syria. 




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Mon 2 Sep 13 #14 
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I say the US should stay the hell out of Syria and all other middle eastern countries.  In the specific case of Syria we know there has been gas used but nobody knows WHO USED IT!  Was is Assad or the rebels?  I oppose most vigorously any involvement in Syria.  Let Saudi Arabia provide monetary aid for medical needs and let Allah decide their fate.  We cannot do any good by trying to interfere. 

Looking back at the meddling the US has done in the Middle East I can say that it has been an abject failure and has only turned the world against us.  Let the so-called (and failed) Arab Spring muddle itself down and let things take the course which is the will of those people who live there.  Libya, Egypt are already failures as are Iraq and Afganistan.  Those people are going to do only what they want.  The US is NOT EVER going to be successful in shoving our politics down their throats.  We should NOT launch ANY attacks, not provide aid, not put boots on the ground.  There is enough money in Saudi Arabia to take care of things and if they don't or won't let the other countries turn on them.  We are through being the babysitters of the world.  We are broke ourselves. I laugh at Obama and Kerry and also at the spokesman for the UN saying they are going to "determine" whether or not "poison gas was used"  Yes, you jokers, we know it was but do we know who used it?  Did Assad or the rebels use it?  There are conflicting reports.  I don't think anyone is thinking straight about this. 

Sally, I don't think there is any thought from the US about gaining from any attack.  We have nothing to gain.  I think that everyone knows that.  There is nothing in Syria for us to want.  We didn't even take oil out of Iraq so I don't think the spoils of war have ever been our motive.  Just my thoughts. The only advantage would possibly be for Obama to act like a big shot.  That would be only for him and would not be much of a benefit at all.

 




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Wed 4 Sep 13 #15 
USS Palladin
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John Cleese has it about right: 

"The English are feeling the pinch in relation to recent events in Syria and have therefore raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved." Soon, though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross." The English have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies nearly ran out. Terrorists have been re-categorized from "Tiresome" to "A Bloody Nuisance." The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was in 1588, when threatened by the Spanish Armada.

The Scots have raised their threat level from "Pissed Off" to "Let's get the Bastards." They don't have any other levels. This is the reason they have been used on the front line of the British army for the last 300 years.

The French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide." The only two higher levels in France are "Collaborate" and "Surrender." The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France 's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.

Italy has increased the alert level from "Shout Loudly and Excitedly" to "Elaborate Military Posturing." Two more levels remain: "Ineffective Combat Operations" and "Change Sides."

The Germans have increased their alert state from "Disdainful Arrogance" to "Dress in Uniform and Sing Marching Songs." They also have two higher levels: "Invade a Neighbour" and "Lose."

Belgians, on the other hand, are all on holiday as usual; the only threat they are worried about is NATO pulling out of Brussels.

The Spanish are all excited to see their new submarines ready to deploy. These beautifully designed subs have glass bottoms so the new Spanish navy can get a really good look at the old Spanish navy.

Australia, meanwhile, has raised its security level from "No worries" to "She'll be alright, Mate." Two more escalation levels remain: "Crikey! I think we'll need to cancel the barbie this weekend!" and "The barbie is cancelled." So far no situation has ever warranted use of the last final escalation level.

-- John Cleese - British writer, actor and tall person.




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Wed 4 Sep 13 #16 
Honey Badger
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Excellent and amusing but unfortunately these clowns are still going to try to go into Syria.




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Tue 10 Sep 13 #17 
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Tue 10 Sep 13 #18 
sally906
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Ha! Ha! Ha!  Love it :)




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #19 
jmaxg
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Should we kick Syria's ass, should we not?  Is it the chemical weapons issue?  Is it not?

All I know is a certain President of the United States screwed up.

He knows it, the entire Congress of the United States knows it, and this is embarrassing.

My advice?  Smart bomb and missile the HELL outta Assad's command and control facilities (which isn't that hard), hit his chemical depots, disable the Syrian Air Force while you are at it.

And then hit a Russian advisory facility and go "oops".

Maybe that will get Putin to put his shirt back on.




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #20 
kevg
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oo you little warmonger you. yes O'Bama has messed up but I'll let him off cos Middle east is a minefield of ever changing sides.

Bombing Assad will only help the Radicals he is fighting. They hate the west more than he does. You want another Fundamentalist regime in charge go right ahead. Personally I would say let them kick s**t out of each other, it has nothing to do with us and whichever side eventually wins we won't be thanked.

Putin is trying to show he is a world statesman ( even without a shirt) and he's come out better than O'Bama on this one. The Russians do have a legitimate interest. It's in their sphere of influence and i believe they have a large naval base there, on the Med, a place they have wanted to be for centuries.

I did see a story saying it was the rebels that released the gas accidentally. Makes more sense to me than Assad using gas. The only thing that is liable to bring the west in and he uses it just as he is gaining the upper hand in the war ?? Doesn't make sense to me and whatever Assad is he's no mug.

Who is arming the rebels ?? Saudi ? France ? USA ? UK even ? I reckon it's USA weapons supplied by Saudi so USA can deny everything. Only thing is if they win you won't get your money back and they won't be your friend so why bother.

I love it when those who opposed Iraq start saying we should bomb Syria. There was far more reason to bomb Iraq and we keep an interest in the oil. Which Syria has. Incidentally the oil from Iraq kept flowing all thru that little war, was flowing before that little war but Saddam used the money for his military rather than his people then blamed the west when people starved.

If an Arab asks you the time make sure you still have your watch when you walk away. They don't play by the same rules as us and generally speaking they both envy and hate us. It helps them get over their own inadequacies. 

I think I might enjoy this.




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #21 
jmaxg
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You are such an idiot.

Assad killed 1,400 plus of his own people.  You are wrong.  I am right.

Why I know he did it is because:

1.  It's been done before by Saddam Hussein on the Kurds and he behaved EXACTLY the same way.

2.  The rebels do not have the technology.......delivering death is not that easy, and

3.  Assad has reason to provoke the west.........namely, because of twits like you.




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #22 
kevg
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hahaha. Saddam bombed the Kurds, he'd been fighting the Kurds for years. They are a shifty bunch anyway so I don't care. Nor do I see the parallel with Assad.

Because the rebels don't have the technology they make their own or buy them in from Saudi. Do you ever read beyond a headline ?? 

Why on earth would Assad want to provoke the west ??  He wants his country bombed back to the Stone Age ??

You really want Fundamentalists in charge in Syria ??




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #23 
jmaxg
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No.....that last line is what everyone is chirping.......Al Quaeda in Syria.

THAT's your point.

So....make your point!




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #24 
jmaxg
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In any case, you say the statement "Al Quaeda" and everyone goes nuts.

It's Ned Kelly all over again.

There are no more trump cards people!!!  That's it!!  That's all she wrote!!!

Why are we even dealing with these losers?

We got the boss.  His death was pretty cool actually.




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #25 
USS Palladin
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Obama...day late and a dollar short.

Wait is that Oslo calling wanting their Peace Prize back? Putin is the new shepard of peace? 

Anyway if we bomb them we are not going to bomb the chemical depots, geez Sarin gas is hard enough to work with and use properly, bombing the depot could kill a lot more on both sides. Maybe you meant to say bomb his delivery systems..... I too doubt the rebels did it and I am sure it wasn't released accidently. Reports I have seen said it was  released from artillery shells launched behind Assad's lines. Finally bombing his command and control is a given, but if the rebels can't exploit our generous gift of air power than it is just a slap on the hand for Assad and the rebel commander we (the U.S.) like said yesterday on NPR that he hadn't gotten any U.S. weapons. 

Russians do have a naval facility at Tartus, but I would doubt that is why Putin backs Assad.. Dictators hang together or they will hang separately. It isn't like there isn't a growing discontent in Russia over his rule plus he saw the images and heard about what was done to Ghadaffi, and he allowed the UN to do that by not using the veto. Hmm, he is not going to go around helping democracy spread when it is definitely not in his best interest.




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #26 
kevg
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Who the Hell mentioned Al Queda ?? wasnt me




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Fri 13 Sep 13 #27 
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LOL  It is so sad but so funny at the same time!  The fact is we don't know anything except that the US has suffered an unspeakable embarassment at the hands of Pretty Boy Putin.  What a horse's ass Kerry is.  None bigger. And as for Obama ......what can I say.  The man is not a leader , never was and never will be.  Get him out of office and hold a special election because we don't want Biden running the show.  

Bomb Assad? MMM  I don't think so.  He is  tyrannical beast, on the scale of Saddam Hussein and the opposition is equally bad and they have been armed by Iran so they are dangerous and YES, many are members of Al Qeada, so now the US is sending weapons, thanks McCain and Graham, to our sworn enemy, for who thousand of our military have been fighting against for 12 long years.  I am so disgusted byt the whole thing I think I may move to Canada. I live in a STUPID country led(?) by a STUPID administration!




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Tue 17 Sep 13 #28 
USS Palladin
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Looks like Apple is suporting the rebels against Assad!!

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/09/16/apple-ipad-in-syria-used-to-line-up-mortar-shot-photo/




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Tue 17 Sep 13 #29 
Honey Badger
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Good one, Pall.




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Wed 18 Sep 13 #30 
sally906
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That's a bit unfair Pal. They are using an Apple product but I don't think it is fair to say Apple is supporting them :)




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Wed 18 Sep 13 #31 
USS Palladin
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Well if they are using the Apple map app that comes with it I would say they are definitely NOT supporting them. :-)




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Wed 18 Sep 13 #32 
sally906
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LOL - I'll agree there - Google maps couldn't even get us from my place of work to home - a 10 min walk!!!  Wanted to take me via Barcelona on the other side of the world!!!




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Thu 19 Sep 13 #33 
USS Palladin
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:-)




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Thu 19 Sep 13 #34 
kevg
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now you are getting the hang of it !!

 




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Fri 20 Sep 13 #35 
Honey Badger
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I guess there are a few strings attached to Kerry's brilliantly constructed peace and disarmament plan for Syria.  Ho hum.  I think I'll take my horse out for a gallop to look for a billion dollars ransom money for Putin and Assad. HA! 




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Sun 22 Sep 13 #36 
jmaxg
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Well, the Syrian government have come up with a chemical weapon inventory.

Less than impressed.  Let's see what is step two.




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Mon 23 Sep 13 #37 
Honey Badger
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They are allowing UN inspectors come back in again, I think Hey, this is one war in which we really have no dog.  We should stay out and let them settle it out and only come to the aid of Israel if they are bombed.  I can't tell you how happy I am that the Muslim Brotherhood has been banned in Egypt!  That goes to show you that the US can't go around pushing doctrine down foreign throats.




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Tue 24 Sep 13 #38 
USS Palladin
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Yeah that doctrine really sucks doesn't it, democracy, human rights, civil rights, rule of law just really too much to expect that our allies treat the people they govern with any semblance of the above..... (hint: that was meant to be sarcastic)




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